Season 1, Ep. 9: Quilts for Funerals and Friendships

In this episode, listen as Layla and I chat about the tradition of signature quilts and coffin quilts.

The book I read to prepare for this episode: Remember Me: Women & Their Friendship Quilts

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The famous graveyard quilt, made in Kentucky in 1843 by a grieving mother named Elizabeth Roseberry Mitchell

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 Hello and welcome to October's episode of the Making History Podcast, presented by Pin Cut Sew Studio. My name -is Betsy Ross, and this is my co-host girl with a pearl earring. Just kidding. My name is Nikki and my magnanimous co-host, and my daughter is Layla. I am Layla. So if you're watching the video version of this episode, you can see that we have dressed up in honor of it being October.

What,

sorry, I can't

look at you without laughing. Okay. Layla, would you like to describe my costume for the audio only listeners?

So, um, she has a American flag printed out and taped onto a pencil. Well, what kind of American

flag it? Just the

og the 1776 version.

Mm.

Um,

sounds like a table. The Colonial American flag.

The, oh, the Colonial American flag. Sounds like

a

Taylor. It does sound like a Taylor album. Um, it is taped to a pencil and she's wearing a blue blouse and very frilly apron. This is called a mop cap on my a mop cap. It looks like a mop. I think I looked the part, honestly, you very

much looked the part. I was not expecting it.

Okay, lemme describe yours. Layla has been told in the past, she actually looks like girl with a pearl earring. Who painted that? Uh oh. The art pro doesn't know on. She is wearing a blue headband, pearl earrings, and a some semblance of a yellow scarf with her yellow shirt. She actually does really look like girl Pearl Earring.

Thanks. Even if I didn't know you were dressing as that, I would've gotten it right. Johannes Vermeer. Oh, Vermeer. So we tried to, oh, a Vermeer didn't mean it like that. We tried to, uh, be October. This is not a Halloween episode, but there is a creepy, or a macabre, I should say, element to this episode. Topic.

We should have been PO

characters. That would've been really fun. I could be the beating heart and you could be a crow. A crow. I mean a Raven. A raven. Yeah, a Raven lack in.

I am a huge fan of Poe. We are also huge fans of costumes. I spent a lot of years making them costumes. And so at the end of this episode, we're gonna talk about our favorite ones.

Ooh. And then you can pop some pictures into the Instagram page. Instagram Beautiful. Which you can find at Making History Podcast on Instagram. So this is our. Sorry. You'll have to cut that out. Oh my gosh. I'm very excited about this topic. Um, to reintroduce, I know we have a lot of new YouTube subscribers on the pin cut.

So channel, so this might be. Um, a surprise to you if you're new to pin cut, so that we also have a monthly podcast, me and Layla, and this is where we discuss topics, uh, historical topics about crafting, sewing, quilting, all kinds of things like that. It's been so much fun. This is our first year, and then next year we have big plans to do twice a month instead of once a month.

And. I think that's good enough for an introduction. Yeah. Let's jump into this topic. This one is so fun and I learned so much. Layla's been dying to talk about one half of this topic. I'm so excited. Today we're gonna talk about friendship quilts and funeral quilts. So interesting. I learned so much. I think most of our episodes have been around the World Wars, world War I and World War ii.

This one goes back further. I think this might be the oldest topic we've discussed. This one goes back to the Civil War or known as the war between the states. It's called many different things. I'm probably just going to call it the Civil War, even though I know that's. It might not be correct. I don't know.

There's a lot of debate about the war between the states and what we should call it. I didn't know that till I moved to the south and I was educated. Okay, so let's get started though. Talking about friendship quilts. What do you imagine that friendship quilts are? Layla. A quilt that everybody quilts together

and everyone makes a block, and then they all put their friendship quilt together.

Oh, interesting. That is a form of friendship. Quilt.

Mm-hmm.

Like a group quilt and people still do that. But the OG friendship quilt is so much fun because it was kind of a trend, like now we have Instagram trends. They had trends the same way that we do now. This, these friendship quilts started to come about in the 1840s, and what they were was one person would make it, but it had blocks that all of their friends had signed.

Oh, that's cute. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. And then they would take those signatures and put them into a quilt.

Aw.

But before the 1830s and forties, they had trouble finding an ink that worked on fabric. Oh. I thought they were like embroidering it. Well, they did. That would make sense. So they did, for a long time they would embroider, they would cross stitch.

And this was just part of a girl's education at the time. Mm-hmm. So they were really good at it.

Yeah. A lot of, um, antique stores, you'll see those cross stitched alphabets and like the better your handwriting, you know, stitch writing mm-hmm. Was like the better you were or whatever. Yeah. They took great pride

in it.

Yeah.

And they were

good at it. They were really good at it. Those cross stitch things you're talking about, those are called samplers and those were like their practice. Yeah. Their practice blows my, yeah. My final versions out of the water.

Okay. So they would use their embroidery skills and their cross stitch skills to make things for their hope chest. You have a hope chest, right? I have a

hope bin. It's a fabric bin.

Yeah. Layla, I feel like a year or two ago, she discovered the concept of a hope chest.

They're so cute. And she wanted one, she doesn't have an actual chest. Like my mom had a cedar chest. I

don't have the space in my room for it, but if I did, I would have one.

Yeah. But she, she still wanted to start collecting things for her future home making.

Yeah, so I have pretty much exclusively Christmas decor and trays, trays from there, which is very fun.

No doilies.

I have some doilies you can have.

No, my doilies are out and about. They're living up their best life, so. Oh, that's right.

Those will go with you anyway. Yeah. So until the 1840s, like I said, the inks that they were making, remember at the time they were still riding with like goose feather pens.

Mm-hmm. And they would dip it in the ink, but the ink all had lead in it. Okay. And it would, no, not lead iron. Oh, lead based ink. It had iron in it, and so it would disintegrate fabrics over time. Oh, it would yellow with age and it would fade and wash out. So it didn't work on like fabric.

Hmm.

But then in France, in the 1830s, someone finally perfected and put out a, or.

Filed for a patent for an indelible ink that actually lasted on fabric. It did not have the iron in it. It was made from silver nitrate, ammonia and lamp, black

ammonia.

Yeah, I imagine lamp black is literally like soot from lamps maybe to make it black. Yeah. Yeah, that makes sense. Right? Yeah. And this ink did not wash out.

It did not fade. It was perfect for fabric. Okay, y'all. And it really kind of revolutionized the world. Hmm. And then of course, true American fashion. Someone else copied him and filed an American patent, and that's how it came to America

love.

And then at the time, quills also changed from feather pens to like solid metal pens.

Yeah. This took a long time for the older generation to adopt. They really wanted, yeah, their feathers. This was a matter of great debate. Well,

they're already killing the chicken. Why not take a feather for a pet? You mean the goose? The goose.

Wasn't the goose? Almost the American like No, the Turkey, it was a

Turkey.

Benjamin Franklin wanted the Turkey to be the American bird, and now we eat them for Thanksgiving. Um, one time I convinced my brother Kelby, that we killed a goose every year for Thanksgiving. I, I had him on the hook for like 20 minutes. He was older than you would think too. He was older. It's embarrassing.

It was embarrassing.

It was really funny though. Okay, so with the invention of this new indelible ink, the women, the girls, this was very much a young practice. Cute. They started writing on their quilt blocks instead of embroidering them, and they would pass them out to their friends to write their names on.

Oh,

and another factor here with the the trending thing is the women's magazines, and we've talked about this in the episode about the pattern history, paper patterns, and how much those women's magazines influenced culture across the United States. And so once this kind of trending topic was in these women's magazines, it sort of spread, think of it as the social media of its day because everyone was doing it.

It was a cool thing. It was the young girls' thing to do. And these quilts, they wouldn't have just anybody's names. They would, didn't really have like their family members' names and they didn't have any men's names on them either. This was like a girly thing to do. Do girl thing. Yes. So they would have their girlfriend sign it.

Sometimes they would include like. A cute little brother who's like a toddler or whatever. Oh yeah, sometimes. But it was very much like a friendship, memory quilt. and also at the time was the romantic romanticization, how do you say that word, romanticization? Yeah, it was romanticization of friendship. Aw. And I think it's really cute. The first thing I thought of was the Ann of Green Gables book series. Cute. Because her and Diana, you know, they're bosom friends.

And they would write poetry to each other. And this is, that's the first thing I thought of. Yeah. And it is like era appropriate. 'cause I think Anna Green Gables was in the 1870s. Cute. And these friendship quilts did expand from about the 1840s up to the turn of the century in popularity. And they would, they were also very, very into poetry.

And I don't think I knew this about, I mean, I should have known, but I didn't think about every, like everyday people writing poetry to each other back and forth really. Do you think poetry is still. Fashionable. Fashionable. Yeah. Yeah. Really. I guess I'm just not running in the right

circles. Yeah, well, like, especially online, Like substack people post poetry on Substack and Wapa. That's, and like all that stuff. That's true. Yeah. I think it's so

cool. I think writing poetry makes you pretty vulnerable. 'cause it's usually about feelings.

Yeah. Or it's flowery. Yeah. Yeah. Back when I, I took a writing class.

It was your writing class? No, it wasn't. I don't know, but I, we learned about haikus. Yeah. That was my class. That was your

class. I taught creative

writing. Yeah. In our homeschool co walk. And I remember like. The haikus that you like gave us were very like silly. No. They were like emotional songs. Oh, they were?

And then I was writing, I wrote one about like a shrimp and then like, I wrote one about like a gummy bear or something. Like I was not, I'm sure the ones I,

I didn't write those.

No. Like you gave me examples. Yeah.

But I tend to, when I write poetry for classes like that mm-hmm. It's always like limericks and funny stories.

Yeah. Like I'm never, Like, um, Ogden Nash. He wrote funny poems.

Oh, I haven't heard of him.

Um, you would remember if I read you one? Yeah. Anyway, we're getting a little bit off topic. Sorry. Sorry. So a lot of these quilts too would have full on poetry. Oh. And the precursor to the quilts though was the popularity of autograph books.

Have you heard of those?

Vaguely like a Disney.

Yeah, so these magazines had a lot of like sometimes like cut out poems and things you could cut out and put in your, basically kind of like a scrapbook, like a junk journal we would call it now. But ladies, they would collect each other's like poems and autographs in their little autograph books.

Oh, that's cute. It was so cute. Yeah, that's cute. And that sort of segued into the friendship quilts. So then they would have. Their friends sign or write a poem or something on a scrap of fabric, and then they would eventually incorporate those fabrics into their quilt blocks. That's cute. Yeah. But it started with the autograph books and I, I wish that we could bring those back because that sounds really fun.

Yeah, that does sound fun.

But now, like Instagram's just an autograph book.

That's true. But it's not like,

it's not as close knit.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. We just don't get together. In person as much as they used to. I think. No, we were discussing yesterday, what did people do to pass time before there were like books, I'm talking like old way before books.

We imagine they would just like tell stories and play games. Yeah, I was thinking about it because this is okay segue. You know, in Bible times when women were on their periods, they just got to go away to attend by themselves, not by themselves with other women. Yeah. And they didn't have to do any of the household things during that time.

And I just like, why did we end that? Yeah. Why, where did that go y'all? And I don't know why I was thinking about that, but I've, I mean, I think about it often because it would be so nice, but it would be nice. I was like, what did they do to entertain themselves though? They didn't have books Or maybe they had, they had their girlfriends, you.

Yeah, they had their friends, I'm sure they played a bunch of games and just chatted

Also like the Bible in the book. That's true.

They, they had it written. I'm sure they books on

scrolls. Yeah. They might have had had some sem something to read, but like cavemen, they were out there. Well, they had writings

on the caves, so maybe writing has always been a form of entertainment.

Yeah. Who knows?

Anyway. Okay. Anyway,

Okay, so these friendship quilts were a natural segue from the autograph books. They were sometimes also called album quilts. Cute 📍 and some the patterns really vary greatly. Obviously, they have to have some kind of center. Light colored fabric. Mm-hmm. So that the signatures would show up. Of course. Mm.

Some ladies like to make all the blocks and then have their friends sign them, which could be risky because they might mess up. Oh. And some women would have them sign the scrap or the squares and then incorporate them into quilts. That's what I would do in case they messed up. Yeah. Some people would hire out somebody who had really beautiful writing to write all of the names.

Oh. So they would collect the names in verses from their friends and then. Have somebody copy them onto the fabric so they all looked uniform. That's what Natalie would do. That's what Natalie would do, although she would hand write it herself. She's good at that. She would, yeah. And then some people had them mailed to them, like, sign this and send it back to me.

And this was a time in history where there was a lot of migration within the us. Mm-hmm. Because, um. Of the war. Some people moved north because they couldn't get on board with the South's vision of the wartime and or vice versa. Some people would move to the south for the same reason. Mm-hmm. And also it was a time of great exploration into the west of the US so people would leave behind their friends and family forever.

Like one girl got married and her husband wanted to jet out. West and back then when you left, you were just prepared not to ever see your family again. Yeah. And another sad thing about the time is that, and as I was reading about these stories, the book I'm, I read for this episode is called Remember Me.

Uh, women and their friendship quilts by Linda Otto Lipset, and it was so good. And she tells the story of these friendship quilts, but then she includes like I think about seven actual stories of women, and she's gotten her eyes on these quilts and been able to research the history of these women. But the thing that I was, that really struck me was how much loss people suffered.

Mm-hmm. Back then they really like death was so prevalent. Yeah. They would lose so many children and siblings and spouses because of the war. Mm-hmm. Like almost everybody lost their spouse in this book.

Oh.

And so I just think that was really sad. The death thing will come back in the second half of this episode, which is what you're more excited about.

I think. Excited

about.

I am not excited about death. Just to clarify,

Okay, so the reason so many of these quilts still survive compared to like the more utilitarian quilts is because they were meant to be keepsakes and not to be actually used, which really worked out for us historically because there's so many that are still in great condition.

And in this book, there's some beautiful photos of the ones that she's discussing. So we'll pop some of those photos onto the Instagram page. And so you can see them. But it's very cool because they would, and so because they weren't to be used, really, they weren't super densely quilted.

They weren't finished as like Sturdily, I guess as a quilt was that was going to be used. And used. And used. Yeah. And a lot of those older quilts are in such tatters, but these friendship quilts, so many of them survive because they were treasure keepsakes. Mm-hmm. Okay, let's take a quick break before we move on to the Mor Macabre side of this friendship and funerals, quilts topic. 📍

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 Okay. Let's move on to funeral quilts. Layla is obsessed with funeral quilts.

I'm not obsessed, but like, I want one, you know, she just thinks they're cool. What do you think they're cool about them? I think it's cool 'cause it's like it's a family tree. Oh, that's true. You know, but it's like, I don't know. I think it like the excitement of like, I don't wanna say the excitement of dying.

But like, oh, this family member has moved on to a better place and now they, I get to put their name on my, on my graveyard quilt, you know? Yeah. It's a memory or my funeral quilt.

So the most famous funeral quilt I actually stumbled upon in this giant quilt book I got at a used bookstore called America's Glorious Quilts.

You can find used copies of it. I absolutely love looking through it. I'm so glad I bought it. It was like seven bucks. But in it, there's this very famous funeral quilt, also called Memorial Quilt, and the center of the quilt, it's all in Browns, brown tones. Most of them were. This is very much a Victorian slash appalachian American tradition.

And you know, the, the Victorians were kind of obsessed with the Macab Yeah. And spirituality and the afterlife and seances and things. Mm-hmm. So you can see why they thought this was like fun. Yeah. Some people today I think would find it a little bit morbid, but again, they were so much more used to death than we are.

Yeah. Also, it's like the same as like a graveyard. Yeah, that's true. I don't, I don't

know. Like, well, graveyards actually came into fashion. Yeah. I put fashion in air quotes

Well, at, um, Cape Hill in Louisville. And you'll, if you, sometimes you'll walk by like the newer section of Graves.

Mm-hmm. And there are some graves that like, the person's not dead yet, but they have their, their tombstone. That's right. And like their pictures on it and their birth year and everything, but like they're not so I don't think it's much. Yeah, you're right. Different. Different. I don't find it super weird.

I don't either, but I've always loved graveyards.

Some people really think that's weird and creepy, but we visit our historic graveyard all the time and go there for photo shoots and everything. It's just so beautiful. It's such a beautiful piece of history. Mm-hmm. So these quilts, to explain them further, usually they would have like a large graveyard like plot in the middle.

They were pretty literal.

Instead of like various, like a quilt block being made over and over, they would have a graveyard in the middle. And then in the most famous version, which is a Kentucky quilt from 1843, made by 📍 Elizabeth Roseberry Mitchell. And you can find pictures of that all over the internet.

'cause it's the most famous surviving

mm-hmm.

Funeral quilt. But she made little coffins coffin shapes that she then embroider her family's names on, and she basted them, hand basted them to the borders of this quilt. And then when that person passed away, she would embroider the date and she would move that and applicate it into the center graveyard.

Isn't that crazy? It's cool. So a lot of women made these quilts and then they, they were often draped over the coffin at the funeral. I imagine sometimes they were buried with the person who made them. Yeah. and then they were kept by family members. And so we'll pop a picture of this Kentucky one up onto the Instagram page, but you can also just look it up.

It's a very famous quilt. Mm-hmm. And I first saw it in this America's glorious quilts book and thought it was super cool. You can actually get a free, I wrote it down. Who has it? Oh, there's a website called In color order.com. She's a quilter. She has a free little, um, coffin block template.

It was cute. So, Layla, when you make your funeral quilt, when I make my funeral quilt, here go.

Layla wants to make a quilt. I wanna make one, but I don't. So Yes you do. I don't know how to

quilt though. Well, you edit all of my videos. You're so right. So you know more than you think. Also. At the state fair last month, she noticed there's a first quilt category.

Maybe I'll make a graveyard quilt and enter as my first graveyard or my first quilt at the fair.

Yeah. I

wonder what the feedback would be.

We'll see.

Sometimes they're a little snarky about thanks at the fair. Anyway. I would love to see you make a quilt, but also a funeral. I'll try.

Can you help me?

Don't put my name on there. No, you can. It's fine. What? I'm

gonna put your name on there.

I guess I do find it just a tad creepy.

I don't think it creepy. Really. I'm gonna put my

name on there. Yeah. Okay. Then when I die, it's your job to move me.

Oh boy. Okay. While I was researching for this topic, I came across this website about burial quilts. Mm-hmm. And this is a modern business. This person, and I assume there's other businesses, they will make you a quilt.

Okay, so this is part of the movement of like, I guess a more sustainable burial. And instead of being buried in a coffin, you can have a quilt made for you. Mm-hmm. And then your body is laid on a board and you are wrapped basically like the Egyptians used to wrap onto a board. Okay. Not like a mummy, but you're wrapped in this quilt.

Yeah. Corded to the board and that is how you are buried. And because everything then becomes biodegradable and basically your body returns to the earth is what this website is saying. So who knew? Huh? That burial quilts are a thing today.

Yeah.

Not just funeral quilts, but like quilts to be buried in.

What do you think about that? What if they have to like dig you back up like you've been murdered and they have to? Um, yeah. Or

like

what if in, I don't know, what do they call it? Disinterment, I don't know know is so what they call it. They have to dig up a body

for like research purposes. I don't know. I dunno.

That sounds right, but also, like, I feel like in a hundred years someone's gonna be like digging in their backyard and find someone wrapped in a quilt, like the authorities will be called, you know, like if it was a coffin, it's like, oh yeah. Yeah. Like this was a

legitimate,

well, yeah, they

are. I guess also on the website it was saying like, if your funeral home has not like, is not prepared for this kind of burial, here's where you can get like the board or whatever.

But I'm like, why can't you just make a plywood board? I

don't know. Yeah. Also like the, why wouldn't they just start making coffins outta plywood? Well, are they saying the wood is bio? Yes. Why wouldn't they just start making coffins outta bio? Also, if

you're being buried in a graveyard, it's not like anything else is going to be buried there.

You'll still have a tombstone. Yeah, so you're still taking up space. I'm not sure. Maybe somebody can, um, yeah, shed light on this in the email. You can email us at Making History podcast@yahoo.com. You can email us all kinds of pictures that we are related to these topics. We've received so many, and we do ask your permission to put them on the Instagram page because sometimes they're really fun.

So people have sent us pictures of them in their gunny sack dresses. Or their Miss Piggy costume, um, or just lengthy emails about like, from people who are more educated on these topics than I am. And those have been really fun to read or topic suggestions. We've gotten some very good suggestions, and we have put them on the list.

So thanks for that Making History podcast@yahoo.com. we're going to move on to the next segment. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. So I wanna talk about costumes for a minute because I have, I made all of the kids' costumes from the time they were tiny until. Very recent years when they stopped wearing them or now we just have a bin of them that we can dig out and find something. Mm-hmm. Like this, like that.

Um, oh, speaking of this, I forgot to even like say anything about Betsy Ross, but I think this would, when I learned a little bit about her this morning, I was like, wow, this would be a fun topic because we're not actually positive that she is behind the colonial. 13 stars flag. Oh. Um, because her story wasn't documented until 34 years after her death, but it was documented by her son, her story was told.

So unless he was just pulling that out of who knows where he was procrastinating, it is kind of accepted as true. Or maybe she didn't want it to be. Written down big

thing.

I don't know. So it is widely accepted while also being widely debated if Betsy Ross really did meet with George Washington and those other guys to design the flag with them.

Interesting. But nevertheless, we, they do believe that she actually sewed it, I think. Yeah, she was in

Hamilton and Hamilton's true. She was in Hamilton.

Yes. If it's in Hamilton, it must be true. It must be true. But this is the. If you are not in the us, this represents the 13 American colonies in 1776, right?

Yeah. But don't these represent colonies now?

No, they do.

I guess I need to learn more about the American flag seven.

Yeah. Interesting. Maybe, maybe it's dual. Meaning she, she was like, I predict we're gonna have 50 states later, so I'm, I'm gonna leave space these here.

Yeah. Yeah. I know the red, white and the blue colors signify things too.

But I'll save it for the episode we might do on flags because Yeah. I, I thought

it was really interesting. Next time we'll come dressed as um, which of the Spice Girls wore the, oh, she wore the British flag. Yeah, that's not the same. Okay. Nevermind. Never. But you could do the 13 colonies version of the Spice Girls.

Yeah. Or I could go like full, like 2013 Tumblr and wear one of those American flag shirts. That's like super long, you know? We'll dress up. We'll dress up.

Okay. So Layla, I want you to tell the audience some of your favorite costumes I made you. Okay, I, I, let me remember. Let me remember them. Hang on. Okay.

My favorite. 📍 Was your Meredith costume.

I loved that costume. That's probably the most accurate costume I've ever made. I was, I looked gorgeous. That's the year I got a hickey on my forehead from the bow and arrow.

Okay. So at the Disney store you could buy Meredith's Bow and Arrow and they were the section, they were arrows and she stuck one to her forehead and gave herself a hickey.

Um, so totally forgot about that. Not my finest moment, but that's okay. But I love that costume. We continued to wear, like me and my friends. When we played dress up. Yeah. That was a popular one.

That was the fun part of making all those costumes for you guys is that they got used. And used And used. Yeah.

Yeah. And so when I made them, I finished the insides of those things. Like I didn't finish anything else. Yeah. Because I knew they were gonna be used. Yeah.

Um, I love 📍 our, our cupcake costumes.

Yes. So when they were toddlers, Natalie and Layla. Kelby was born too. Yeah. Him and I went as cowboy cowgirl that year.

Um, I had a Pottery Barn catalog and they had the cutest cupcake costumes and I replicated them cute. And then for years on, those pictures were on my blog for years. People were asking if they could buy them from me. Really? I think I finally did male one to somebody really that I knew who wanted it.

Yeah. Those are so cute. Maybe both.

Yeah. Yeah. I liked my Ray costume too. That wasn't for Halloween, but for May the first day. Yeah. She made me you to a party raise. Yeah, to a party. She made me raise like her pants and then her wrap top and everything. That was good. I felt very cool.

That was good. I did also make Kelby a 📍 dinosaur costume when he was young, and he wore that thing for like two years every single day that that one was sick.

It had a big stuffed tail.

Tail. It was like a fleece

onesie. He was little. Yeah. We'd step on the tail in here. That's mean. What else? I

made Natalie some really great

costumes too. Her 📍 um, Audrey Hepburn one was one of my favorites. That was, she was a good one. She

was one of them. My Fair Lady outfits. That one

was good.

So pretty, I impressed myself with that one. Yeah. And she like, they used a place mat. Like a straw place mat. Like a straw place mat. And then they put a restaurant and then those like fake grapes. Yeah. We put the

flowers and grapes on it and then tied it with a ribbon onto her head. Mm-hmm. It was cute.

That was a good costume.

It was a really good costume.

Um, yeah, I think those are my favorites, but we'll put up pictures on the Instagram page. Yeah, for sure.

I liked my 📍 jazzercise one too. Oh my gosh. You just helped me with that. Like, oh, this is funny

because yeah, she went as a eighties exercise person.

Mm-hmm.

And to this day, that is one of my most popular pins on Pinterest. Really ever. I'm honored in all seasons. I'm like, why

is this still in my top 10 pants? That's, it was a cool costume. It was like, we thrifted, I think most of it, except for we bought like leg warmers. And Yes. Uh, rap. It was like hot pink and

teal.

Mm-hmm.

It was funny and I think it's because of the photo shoot we did. Yeah. 'cause if you don't know, my other hobby is photography. And so part of the fun of making these was the. Photographing them. Yeah. So a few, when we lived in Virginia, so maybe that was like not Virginia, Utah, North Carolina.

We've lived in a lot of places.

No, I think it was Utah. No, I'm

talking about something else. Oh, 📍 okay. Sorry. The pumpkin skirt I made. Natalie. Yes. So we'll put a picture of this too. 'cause there was this old black and white vintage photo because back in the like thirties, twenties, thirties, forties. Mm-hmm. Halloween wasn't. The costumey thing we think it is now.

Mm-hmm. It was more like a elevated dress up. Spooky Yes. Kind of vibe. And so there's this picture of this woman in like a fifties style skirt with big jacko lanterns all the way around it. It's so pretty. And I replicated that skirt for Natalie and then we had the coolest photo shoot. Yeah. I love that skirt.

I still have it.

Yeah. I think, 'cause I might. The art school that I work for does live model drawings. Yes. Will you wear that? I think he might need me to model tomorrow. Oh. And if he does, I'm gonna wear it. So very excited. Yes. Okay. Let's

get it out today though, because Natalie, she's very small, wasted, she's tiny.

And if I need to alter it. Yeah. Although you're a really small wasted too, but this was a few years ago when she might have been even smaller. Even she was younger. Yeah. So let's get it out. One all alter, see? Okay. And then we can show everybody. Okay. I love talking about costumes. Yeah. This is fun. Okay, so now lastly, we need your help with something I mentioned the email address, our December episode.

I want to do an episode about the weirdest and wackiest Christmas crafts. And so I would love for you to send me, I'm talking like the crazy stuff, like the crocheted, Santa Claus toilet covers, that kind of thing. I would love for you to email us your. Experiences or pictures would be even better. Mm-hmm.

Pictures of weird Christmas crafts. Yeah. Or quilts or whatever. Because I think that will make such a funny episode. Mm-hmm. And we need to start preparing for that. So if you have some stories or ideas for that one, please email those to making history podcast@yahoo.com and we will see you next month.

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